UDPATE, January 23, 2009: Tom Hanks Apologizes
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So Tom Hanks is bashing Mormons for supporting Proposition 8.
From FOX News:
Tom Hanks, an Executive Producer for HBO’s controversial polygamist series “Big Love,” made his feelings toward the Mormon Church’s involvement in California's Prop 8 (which prohibits gay marriage) very clear at the show’s premiere party on Wednesday night.
“The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here's what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who's responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let's have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.”
Does Hanks consider everyone who is against gay marriage to be un-American?
If he does believe that, and he isn't just targeting Mormons, that's a problem.
Hanks must consider Barack Obama to be un-American, too.
If he doesn't, he's treading in hypocritical territory.
As far back as 2004, Obama said: "Gays ... should not marry." And in a 2007 Senate debate, he said: "I agree with most Americans, with Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Cheney, with over 2,000 religious leaders of all different beliefs, that decisions about marriage, as they always have, should be left to the states. ... Personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."
I know Obama's actions don't always line up with what he says, but those are his words.
And although it's true that Obama wasn't a donor to help pass Proposition 8, Obama does clearly state that he is against gay marriage. He tries to avoid making such statements. He does go to great lengths to obfuscate.
Nonetheless, the fact is Obama says that marriage is between a man and a woman.
EightMaps.com should target 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
During the vice presidential debate on October 3, 2008, Joe Biden was very clear in stating that he and Obama both oppose gay marriage.
Transcript excerpt
GWEN IFILL, MODERATOR: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?
SEN. JOE BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that.
That's very clear. There's nothing ambiguous about Biden's answer.
No means no.
Does Hanks consider Biden un-American, or does he just reserve that label for Mormons?
That seems so bigoted.
Hanks conveniently avoids slamming African Americans and Hispanics for supporting Prop 8.
Michael van der Galien asks:
Why isn’t Hanks calling African Americans, who voted in large numbers for Prop. 8, “un-American?” Why isn’t Hanks taking aim at Hispanics who also voted against legalizing gay marriage? Is it, perhaps, because liberals like Mr. Hanks only dare attack easy victims like white men, white Christians and white Mormons?
Good questions.
Van der Galien's definition of being un-American differs dramatically from the one Hanks uses. He notes:
It is “un-American” to refuse to debate an issue and, instead, to vilify and demonize the other side. Furthermore, it is also distinctly “un-American” for Hanks to call those who dare disagree “un-American.” Lastly, it is even more “un-American” to single out a specific group solely because of their religious views.
I agree.
Questioning the patriotism of Mormon supporters of Prop 8 puts Hanks on rather un-American ground.
4 comments:
It's going to be fun watching the liberals eat their own. They are never, and never can be, happy and that's going to be their undoing.
You are exactly right about Obama. Obama has made it clear that he is a very religious man and believes religion should be a part of the national discourse. And he desires to be an instrument of God's will; he said so. Hanks might want to take up his issues with Obama, the Right-Wing Zealot.
Funny Mary, how you left out the rest of that Biden quote from the transcript. Because the next line suggests strongly that when Biden was referring to marriage he meant the religious distinction. Here it is , though of course you've seen it.
It also shows some fancy pageant walkin' by Palin. Joe calls here on her earlier intentionally ambiguous reply and then when Gwen asks her point blank is that what she really meant, Palin avoids the question..... and actually changes it (and not very cleverly).
Good times! Thanks for the reminder of that hilarious Palin moment! ;)
BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it.
The bottom line though is, and I'm glad to hear the governor, I take her at her word, obviously, that she think there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple. If that's the case, we really don't have a difference.
IFILL: Is that what your said?
PALIN: Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.
That's a good set of quotes above because it shows the distinction between Biden/Obama and Palin. Biden/Obama believe that gays should have all the same civil rights that heterosexuals should have. Palin, does not. She discriminates against them because of their sexual orienation. And THAT Mary dear is un-American!
I love Tom Hanks........
And we listen to Tom Hanks because?
Obama should tax the shit out of him.
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