Wednesday, January 9, 2008

Lam Luong

UPDATE, April 30, 2009: Ala. man gets death for tossing 4 kids from bridge

A judge has sentenced an Alabama man to death for killing four young children by tossing them from a bridge.

Circuit Judge Charles Graddick handed down the death sentence Thursday to Lam Luong.
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UPDATE, March 19, 2009: Alabama bridge baby killer guilty

AP NewsAlert: A jury has convicted a man of murdering four children tossed from an Alabama bridge in 2008.
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UPDATE, March 17, 2009: Mother of Children Tossed Off Bridge Says Father 'Kept Laughing'
The Vietnamese mother of four young children tossed to their deaths from an Alabama coastal bridge testified Monday that her common-law husband laughed when he told her that the children — then reported missing — would never be found.

"He kept laughing," Kieu Phan, 23, told jurors at Lam Luong's capital murder trial.

Phan burst into tears when color photographs of the children were flashed on a screen for jurors. Prosecutors said they will seek a death sentence if Luong is convicted.

...Phan, whose testimony in Vietnamese was interpreted by a translator, said Luong at first told her he had left the children with a woman in Bayou La Batre. By 7 p.m. when they didn't return, she went to police and began a frantic house-to-house search.

Days later, when his story came under scrutiny and he was taken into custody, Luong had officers bring Phan to his jail cell to tell her: "They are all dead," according to her testimony.

"No way that we can find the children," she said he told her. "He kept laughing." She fell to her knees and cried, police testified.

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UPDATE, March 5, 2009: Lam Luong Pleads Guilty
Lam Luong pleaded guilty Thursday afternoon to throwing his four children off the Dauphin Island Bridge. Luong also said he wants the death penalty.

"From the day they died, I no longer want to live," Luong said.

Luong was in court for a change of venue hearing. His attorneys claim the story got so much media attention that their client can't get a fair trial in Mobile County.

Judge Charles Graddick will still have to rule on the motion, despite Luong's guilty plea. Because this is a capital murder case, there must be a trial. The guilty plea will be entered as evidence.
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UPDATE, January 20, 2008: The Search For Hannah Is Over
Mobile County authorities held a news conference Sunday afternoon announcing the search for two year old Hannah Luong had ended.
Sheriff Sam Cochran said, "The Coast Guard dispatched and has recovered the body of a small Asian child."

But as to whether or not the body is that of Luong, Cochran said, "We cannot make absolute confirmation and that will be up to the medical examination and authorities. But at this time its sufficient enough to us to suspend all recovery operations."
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UPDATE, January 16, 2008: Stormy Weather Halts Search for 4th Child in Coastal Waters
Stormy weather Wednesday forced a halt in the search of waterways off the Alabama and Mississippi coast for the last of four children allegedly thrown from the Dauphin Island bridge by their father.
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UPDATE, January 15, 2008: Police: Third Child's Body Found in Search for Kids Allegedly Thrown Off Bridge by Father
Police found a third body near a Mississippi refinery Tuesday in the search for young children allegedly tossed from a bridge by their father.
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UPDATE, January 13, 2008: Body found of 2nd child believed thrown from bridge

A second body was recovered Sunday in the search for four children allegedly thrown from a coastal bridge by their father, police said.

The body was found by a search team near where a duck hunter found the body of an infant on Saturday, said Mobile County sheriff's Sgt. Jerry Taylor.

Both were found in a marshy area about five miles west of the bridge, Taylor said.
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UPDATE, January 12, 2008: Body of 1 of 4 kids found in Ala. water

A duck hunter on Saturday found the body of the youngest of four children allegedly thrown from a coastal bridge by their father, raising hopes that the other bodies will be recovered, a sheriff said.

A search for the children — ranging in age from a few months to 3 years — began Tuesday near the mouth of Mobile Bay after prosecutors said the father, Lam Luong, confessed.

About 9 a.m. Saturday, a duck hunter found the body of an infant about five miles west of the bridge in a marshy area.

"The inevitable nightmare we have feared has now been confirmed," Mobile County Sheriff Sam Cochran said. "We believe, certainly now, that the father of these children threw these children off the Dauphin Island bridge."

...When told that her infant's body had been found, a grief-stricken Phan wept, comforted by an associate pastor at a Vietnamese congregation that includes some members of her family.

Through an interpreter, Phan asked, "Why didn't he kill me instead of the children? It's too much hurting."

 

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UPDATE, January 10, 2008: Father denies he dropped 4 off bridge

A man accused of tossing his four young children off a coastal bridge to their deaths denies killing them and says police harassed him into making a false confession, his attorney said Thursday.

Authorities say Lam Luong confessed to killing the children, ranging in age from a few months to 3 years, a day after reporting them missing and claiming a woman had taken them.

But Luong's appointed attorney, Joe Kulakowski, said his client told him he falsely confessed under pressure after being questioned Monday night and the entire day Tuesday.

"When police yelled, `We know you killed them,' he at some point realized they weren't going to believe him," Kulakowski said.

"We don't have any bodies. There's a lot of emotion and nobody knows the facts right now," he added.

...Kulakowski said Luong told him the children were taken Monday morning by a woman named Kim who claimed to know their mother and would get them food and clothes. He said they were not returned later Monday as promised.

He said officers should be searching for Kim and a second woman who left with the children in a van.

Prosecutors said Luong, 37, gave that account after the children were reported missing Monday but confessed after investigators pressed him on holes in his story.

"We believe he killed the kids by tossing them off the bridge," said District Attorney John Tyson Jr.

No.

A father does not confess to killing his children just because police are yelling at him.

No way.

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Police say Lam Luong, 37, confessed to throwing four children off the Dauphin Island bridge, which is as high as 80 feet above the water in places (ABCNEWS)

There are bad parents and then there are monsters.

Lam Luong is a monster.



BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. -- A man angered after a dispute with his wife confessed to tossing his four young children off a bridge, authorities said Wednesday as they searched murky waters for the bodies.

Lam Luong, 37, who is charged with four counts of capital murder, told authorities Tuesday night that he drove to the Dauphin Island bridge and dropped the children from a span that reaches 80 feet in places, said Detective Scott Rivera.

Luong came to coastal Alabama from Vietnam in 1984 and worked in the commercial fishing industry as a shrimper, Police Chief John Joyner and a relative said. He had argued with his wife, Ngoc Phan, before taking the children, he said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

...The family initially feared the children had been traded to support a drug habit, Phengsisomboun said. Luong had a crack cocaine habit and had spent an insurance settlement from an automobile accident rapidly, he said, and authorities confirmed Luong had a history of drug offenses.

Luong reported the children missing Monday, and told police that a woman who had the children failed to return them, authorities said. Phengsisomboun said he was later told by investigators that a witness had seen someone throw a bundle from the bridge and then saw three children in a nearby car.

Phan, 23, was in seclusion Wednesday morning at her mother's brick home, the front porch cluttered with children's shoes.

I cannot fathom having a fight with my spouse and then responding by throwing my four children off a bridge to their deaths.

Such horror!

Luong's crimes have to be a setback to Project Hope to Abolish the Death Penalty, a group of "inmates and concerned citizens, working with supporters, family members, and advocates, to abolish the death penalty in Alabama and everywhere."

I'm against the death penalty, in theory. I try to be consistently pro-life; but I know that if Luong destroyed my family, I'd want him thrown off a bridge.

The deaths of these four children have forced me to confront my hypocrisy regarding the death penalty.

Once again, I have to struggle with the fact that I'm against it, but I'm for it.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

OMG! Luong deserves nothing less than to burn in an electric chair or better yet be thrown from the very bridge he threw the children from!

Jimi5150 said...

I'm the same way. I think it's morally wrong for one human being to take another's life. But, boy, these people push that line in me. Especially when it involves children . . . the very definition of innocence. The children did nothing wrong, they had no say, and couldn't fight back. Life's end was decided for them. Sad. Very sad.

Well, if we're going to throw him over the bridge, let's make sure his hands are cemented in concrete gloves.

WI Catholic said...

I am in the same boat when it comes to this kind of murder. I have never been a death penalty supporter. I have always been very glad that I live in a State that it has not been an issue (though some are trying to change that). I have feared many times that innocent people may have been among those executed. Some 'proof' of that has come recently with DNA...

But then comes this, or those who kill their wives, especially while pregnant, and have no remorse (thinking of Scott Peterson), or those who murder children after sexually abusing them....and I am repulsed by what they have done, and can totally understand the desire to see them executed. And not nicely, either. My anger even sometimes makes me want to say that they should die in the same way that they killed...as in this man being thrown off that bridge four times, if he survives the first...and the final time, with those concrete gloves (or boots) suggested by jimi5150.

Anonymous said...

Thou shall not kill. I detest the death penalty. Murder is murder and people who murder on behalf of the state are no better than any cold blooded serial killer.

But having said that, for a multiple child killer like Luong, throwing him off a bridge is hardly punishment enough.

No, I'd give him stimulants to make him hypersensitive, and then I'd have every millimetre of skin peeled off his genitals and put iodine on it. Then I'd lower him feet-first, very very slowly indeed, into a giant mincing machine. And then I'd make him crawl on his belly, dragging his mangled, tattered legs behind him, across a field of salt. That's just for starters.

I wouldn't kill him though, that punishment should not be any man's to dispense.

WI Catholic said...

OOOHhh, anonymous!!

So vivid! The anti-torture people will soon be after you. But your thinking has merits in these situations... and you are right... he would not be dead.

I don't quite agree with your first premise, however, as the State does have the right. I just do not think it is necessary. (Until some of the escapes from prisons and jails that have been happening lately which again makes me wonder....)

Mary said...

Yikes!!!

"anonymous" certainly has put a lot of thought into a fitting punishment for Luong other than the death penalty.

What an imagination! A really creepy, disturbing imagination! A cruel and unusual imagination!

WI Catholic said...

I think I have heard those words recently... "cruel and unusual". There is a Supreme Court case on the death penalty now.

If the guys bringing that case to court think that injection fits, I bet they would not want to meet up with anonymous.

Anonymous said...

we too often look at these people as if they have a fully functioning mind like us. We put ourselves in their shoes, but we woludnt do that - and to such people, no punishment is sufficent to stop them - even if you brought back english style hang-drawn-and quartering, they'd still do it, as some people just cant see consiqence, its not in there nature to! These people are broken, dangerous - call it what you like. They need to be locked up for ever and ever without contact to other prisoners! they need to be experimented on to find out if we can detect who they are before they do it - so we can watch them and put restrictions on them! it shouldnt be that long with current brain monitoring tools advancing the way they are.

Mary said...

Oh, come on.

This seems like a James Buss post.

they need to be experimented on to find out if we can detect who they are before they do it - so we can watch them and put restrictions on them!

Right.

WI Catholic said...

I may be angry about the murders,and I may wish that I could 'punish' that person, but that is not real life.

In actuality, anonymous, they are children of God as much as I am. As such, no one has any right to 'experiment' on them.

Lock them up for life? Yes. I am in agreement that a Life sentence means Life without parole for murder and other similar crimes.

Anonymous said...

wicatholic....what if those were your children?????? I think they should not only torture the fool...they should throw him off the same bridge again...like someone else said four times....He deserves every bit of what he did to those sweet, precious, innocent little babies.....Picture in your mind, those babies being yours or someone close to you.....what would you want to happen to them...I know what I would want! That's just wrong, I don't care how you look at it...He deserves to die!!!!!!!Cracked out or not!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I am reminded of how Jesus told us to "love your neighbor as you love yourself." He recognized 2000 years ago that the loving of oneself one of biggest problems in the human race. Drugs? Mental illness? Perhaps. However, the fact that Luong didn't hurl himself off of the bridge behind his children, tells me that this guy's love of self is off the charts, and I think it would be an act of kindness to the rest of civilization to terminate his life. If you put your ego first and kill children, your life should be forfeit, period.

WI Catholic said...

Anonymous 10:39 AM January 11, 2008

Uhm... I am the one who said that. Look at third comment.

While I may FEEL like doing much more, I am also able to control my FEELINGS and follow His Law AND the law of the land, including:

"Thou Shalt Not Kill (Murder), and no "Cruel and Unusual" treatment.
We just do not experiment on Human Beings, even murderers.

Anonymous said...

when I say experiment on them, I mean in a way that doent involve torture or suffering.

It may sound wierd, but we can now see what responses the brain makes to different stimulus. so, keep a psy profile of children as they grow up, and learn to recognise the signs of trouble before the tiny minory murder, before they become a murderer.

it might sound totalitarian, but it doesnt have to be. It colud be psycological care and monitoring all in one. it wolud be up to us to make sure no goverment abuses the power or the rights of people and that the system was reliable.

the death penality is much worse. killing people. I'd rather invade the privasy of their private thuoght to assess whether they where a danger to society, rather than killing them just in case.

WI Catholic said...

Guess I have no faith in the gov't to be able to 'control' misuse of that kind of information. And I would not want MY kids/grandkids to be psychoanalyzed with that information stored any place.

Sorry, but I just don't want the gov't involved in my life anymore than it already is. Now, there is something going on in California where they want to control your thermostat in your home??

Psychoanalyze all children? Nope.

The dangers of what that kind of information could bring about is tremendous! The potential of what could be done with it is mind-boggling.

Anonymous said...

Good grief people! You would rather someone like luong be in prison for life rather then put to death, WHY! People like that only take up space.Also they get fed 3 times a day, go outside, possibly have a movie made about them ,write letters, interact with other people, play games, breathe, waste tax payers money! What do their victims get to do???N-O-T-H-I-N-G! They are 6 ft in the ground! come on!

Anonymous said...

when it comes to situations like this, its really easy for sentamentalism to cloud our logical judgement. you can't be for something like the death penalty only sometimes. killing is wrong, take your stand. IF he did what he did,( he is innocent until proven guilty) killing him, or torturing him would only merit his behavior, and really, let him off the hook too easily. "The torture of a bad conscience is the hell of a living soul"

MickyW said...

He doesn't HAVE a conscience!! That's the kicker. He'll sit in prison, get his three squares a day and watch Oprah and get love letters from convict-chasing women, and not give a thought to throwing each one of his children 80 feet onto what equals a slab of cement. Do you know what happens to someone when they hit the water from that height? It ain't pretty, and it ain't painless.

I guess you all know by now that a duck hunter has found the first body on the shore - that of the infant.

God, as a mother of three little ones (and as a human being), my heart just breaks...

Mary said...

From "anonymous, 8:34 PM, January 12, 2008"--

"The torture of a bad conscience is the hell of a living soul"

That assumes that Luong's soul CAN be tortured by a tormented conscience.

Does someone capable of throwing four helpless little ones, three his own flesh and blood, off a bridge to their deaths have a conscience?

MickyW is right.

Anonymous said...

They should hand him over to the family and let them decide his fate.

Anonymous said...

Ummm...wicatholic, I don't see any connection between my comment about self-love and your third comment, but if you need the credit...ok you got it. I'm also confused about the quoting of scripture in reguards to the death penalty. If you have actually studied the law, including Leviticus and Numbers, there are many scriptures which sanction the death penalty, some cases for serious crime, and some cases for not so serious crime. Perhaps you haven't opened your Bible? Are you picking and choosing which laws you will obey? I am not in agreement with all of the old testament law as it applies to today, however I do think that people who kill children for pleasure or out of a fit of revenge against a former spouse should be executed. I don't really care if you disagree.

Anonymous said...

Lam probabally felt that his children were too much of a burden. Four kids, all under the age of 3, can you even inagine?

Combine that with anger towards his wife over God-knows-what, and a crack habbit....

what animalistic horror! Poor babies.

mercorey said...

If Lam Luong did throw his children to their deaths, then this shows us how he values the lives of others. No one in this world has the right to decide who shall live and who shall die and that is what Lam Luong has done.
Being a father of 2 young ones (a 7year old and 5year old) and reading what has happened to these 4 little ones just breaks my heart. I almost started crying when I read this and the first thing that I thought and wished for is for Lam Luong to be tortured and killed to the fullest extent like anonymous said. And everyday that I follow up on this story and vision these poor children in the cold water suffering brought more anger to me. I could not believe that I was feeling this way and had to stop and re-think how I felt about this. Then it hit me, and I have come to this conclusion; I do not want Lam Luong tortured and killed at all, and I am sure most of you with children will feel the same way that I do after you read what I have to say. The reason why I would not want Lam tortured is because it would hurt me just as much if my son committed these crimes and everyone wanted my son tortured and killed. If my son confessed and told me that he had killed his 4 children (my grand children) I would never wish for him to be tortured and killed. I will always love my children no matter what they do.

Anonymous said...

My thought and prayers go out to the family who has truly lost the ones they love.

My personal opinion is this:

I am for the death penalty!!! Why would anyone want to sit in prison for the rest of their lives and why would we want to pay for someone to live the remainder of a useless life in prison? What he did, those children did not deserve. And the selfish jerk didn't take himself out, he took them out. This crap reminds me of the Yates trial. My only question now is, "Who's going to stand and say Luong was going through Post-Pardom Depression"?

Idea.... Can't handle the kids you got, are they bringing you down, making you depressed? STOP HAVING THEM!!!!!

WI Catholic said...

Anonymous 12:55 PM, January 13, 2008 ,

I directed anon 10:39 AM Jan 11 back to the third post (mine) because of the statement:

10:39 AM, January 11, 2008 ***wicatholic....what if those were your children?????? I think they should not only torture the fool...they should throw him off the same bridge again...like someone else said four times....***

I am the one who said that...in 10:39 AM, anonymous was speaking to me. See---

WI Catholic said:
5:11 PM, January 09, 2008 ***"My anger even sometimes makes me want to say that they should die in the same way that they killed...as in this man being thrown off that bridge four times, if he survives the first... and the final time, with those concrete gloves (or boots) suggested by jimi5150.***

There is nothing in the post of 10:39 AM Jan 11 about "self love", so not sure what you mean. I was not addressing the post about self love at all.

You can call it quoting Scripture if you want to, however, I was actually repeating one of the Ten Commandments (which is part of Scripture), and I also quoted our US documents, specifically from the 8th Amendment. (Church and State)

Now, the rest of your post can be taken two ways.. in good faith, or as a slur. From the 'tone' of your words, it almost sounds like the latter.

I not only have read the entire Bible, I own two Concordances, several Study Bibles, a few different Parallel Bibles with different versions in each, and have been in many Bible Studies in my nearly sixty yrs. Is it because my 'name' is Catholic from WI that you assumed that I don't know the OT or the NT, and have not read the Bible? I hope not.

We don't live under the OT Law any longer.

I have also worked in the prison system.

I have never supported the Death Penalty, and though I struggle at times with it, I probably never will. Too many innocents have been found guilty and sentenced to death, but even if it were only one, it would be too many.

Anonymous said...

i actually worked with the guy for about a year right before he moved back to alabama and you would have never of thought that he would do something like that. none of us even knew he did drugs. im not saying he was a saint or anything but i would never have thought that he would do that. maybe up and leave his wife and kids but to throw them over a bridge thats crazy. im still in shock that "larry"(lam luong) did that. i just wanted to let everyone know that there really wernt any indicators that he was a nut or anything. just a regular guy back then.

Anonymous said...

I appreciate what I have to say will irritate a lot of people. 'wicatholic' made a comment about understanding the desire to execute wife killers & children killers but I have seen no one mention about the punishment meeted out to women who kill men. Society tends to get squemish about executing women and society always seems to demonise & monstertrise men. Women can be just as horrendous in their crimes but are usually dismissed as crimes of passion or that they were goaded into it by their abusive partner.

Whatever the reason Luong killed those children one thing is for sure he could not have been of 'sane' mind when he did it and capital execution is wrong not matter what the crime.

Mary said...

You think Luong is insane?

Why? Because he did something so horrific?

If he were truly mentally ill and completely detached from reality, you can bet his lawyer would be going down that road to defend him.

MarLee said...

"I appreciate what I have to say will irritate a lot of people. 'wicatholic' made a comment about understanding the desire to execute wife killers & children killers but I have seen no one mention about the punishment meeted out to women who kill men."

WI Catholic also does not condone light sentences in the above examples, either, but the children were the topic here, and what I was thinking of.

While I struggle with feelings of anger/vengeance at any murder, I am not a proponent of the death penalty. Wisconsin is a Life Means Life state. Also, I do NOT consider someone carrying out the State's right to be in the same category.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, is that even possible to have 4 kids under the age of 3 - pretty near impossible....Anyhow I feel that life in prison must mean life in prison - it's illogical that life in prison can mean parol at some point! And our prisons should be a little less comfortable - a little less cozy, a little less TV, etc. etc.

WI Catholic said...

Anonymous 2:27 AM, March 20, 2009

No it isn't 'nearly impossible' to have four children under the age of four. It only takes 9 months from conception to birth.
9 times 4 = 36 months (There are 48 months in four years)But the oldest was probably much closer to four than to three years old when this happened.


Have any one of those four children born prematurely, and it is even possible to have LESS time between children.


Improbable, yes. Impossible, no.

The definition of "Irish Twins" is two children under a year apart.

Mary, thank you for the updates. I missed it elsewhere. I feel so badly for that mother!

Mary said...

I do, too.

This is just heartbreaking.

Anonymous said...

I support 'anonymous' views... So many people want to support abolishing death penalty only the satisfy their own guilt or religious beliefs. Bottom line is 4 innocent children died because of a crazy father who was likely on crack and didn't even know what he was doing. Does he deserve to die? In my book, yes. If he can't receive the capitol punishment, then he should WORK for his living expenses. The fact prisoners like Scott Peterson, Charles Manson and other monsters can receive visitors other than their family is ridiculous. The fact they can get married is even more ridiculous. They should go to work M-F 9 to 5 like the rest of us and help pay for their living expenses. Who are we kiddind? If there was an option on our tax returns asking those who support pro-life to pay for it as a special tax interest, I bet there would not be too many people who put their wallet where their 'beliefs' are. Human beings are innately contradicting when it comes to 'rights and choices'. Why can't women have the right to choose? Why can't a terminally-ill patient choose to die with dignity? Why must we always inflict our own religious beliefs and moral judgements on others and condemn those who are not in agreement? Our society has strayed far away from teaching our children to be accountable. Look at our financial crisis....

mary in texas said...

LAM LUONG

I HAVE BEEN OVER THIS TALL BRIDGE WHEN VISITING MY GRANDAUGHTER AND CHILDREN IN BIO LA BATRE. I KEEP SEEING WHAT IS THE LATEST. UNDER ALABAMA LAW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR DUE PROCESS SO THE STATE CAN GET ON WITH THE PUNISHMENT, WHICH I AGREE SHOULD BE THROWING HIM OFF THE BRIDGE. GOD BLESS THOSE BEAUTIFUL BABIES. MARY IN TEXAS