Catholic Nancy Pelosi is a Pope Benedict fan. When the Pope visited the U.S. last April, Pelosi was visibly thrilled when she met him. She held his hand and kissed his ring.
There are no photos of the 15-minute meeting this morning between Pope Benedict and Nancy Pelosi, but there are dueling accounts.
In a statement released by Pelosi's office, she focused on the honor of meeting with the Pope. She left out the part about Pope Benedict reminding the Catholic Pelosi that Catholic politicians must protect life, at all stages of development.
Of course, Pelosi is an ardent supporter of slaughtering the unborn. Pelosi even voted NO on banning the barbaric procedure of partial-birth abortion. Pelosi gets a 100% rating from NARAL. She's NARAL's darling. When Pelosi became Speaker of the House, NARAL celebrated.
"Americans who value freedom and privacy have many reasons to celebrate as Nancy Pelosi takes the Speaker's gavel to make this historic move forward for our country. For her nearly 20 years in office, Speaker Pelosi has been an effective advocate for women's health and has championed her pro-choice values by consistently voting to protect a woman's right to choose."
To say that Pelosi is an extremist when it comes to opposing right-to-life issues is not a stretch.
Remember in August 2008, when Pelosi made a complete fool of herself on Meet the Press while commenting on when life begins?
Transcript here.
No wonder Pelosi dodged what Pope Benedict had to say in their meeting. It must have been incredibly uncomfortable for her.
As a Catholic, how did she not drop to her knees and beg forgiveness for her sins? After 20 years in office serving as an advocate for killing the unborn, Pelosi has a lot of innocent blood on her hands. After her meeting with Pope Benedict, did she run to receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation?
From FOX News:
U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican Wednesday morning, but may not have had a meeting of the minds if the two statements from their offices are any indication.
No journalists were at the 15-minute encounter and the Vatican and the speaker's offices have not released any photos. However, according to their statements it appears the pope and the politician attended two different get-togethers.
"His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church's consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoins all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development," the Vatican wrote, having released the statement moments before the two met.
What did Pelosi, the Catholic, say to the Pope when he told her that she has a duty to protect and promote the dignity of human life?
Several hours later, Pelosi's office gave her take on the tete-a-tete.
"It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with his Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI today," Pelosi said in a statement released hours after the meeting. "In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church's leadership in fighting poverty, hunger and global warming, as well as the Holy Father's dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel. I was proud to show his Holiness a photograph of my family's papal visit in the 1950s, as well as a recent picture of our children and grandchildren."
Pelosi was proud to show his Holiness a recent photo of her children and grandchildren.
I suppose Pelosi would not have been proud to show the Holy Father photos of the millions of dismembered, aborted babies that, through her votes in Congress and her vocal support of the Culture of Death, she played a part in killing during her 20-plus years in office.
From the Associated Press:
Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday told U.S. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, a Catholic who supports abortion rights, that Catholic politicians have a duty to protect life "at all stages of its development," the Vatican said.
Pelosi is the first top Democrat to meet with Benedict since the election of Barack Obama, who won a majority of the Catholic vote despite differences with the Vatican on abortion.
The Vatican released remarks by the pope to Pelosi, saying Benedict spoke of the church's teaching "on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death." That is an expression often used by the pope when expressing opposition to abortion.
Benedict said all Catholics—especially legislators, jurists and political leaders—should work to create "a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development."
About Obama "winning" the Catholic vote--
Here are the numbers:
Exit polls showed Obama winning big with black Protestants (94 percent backed him), Hispanic Catholics (72 percent), and Hispanic Protestants and other Christians (67 percent). Obama won the election handily even though white Catholics and white Protestants backed Republican John McCain.
...Obama won the Catholic vote 54 percent to 45 percent, four years after Bush won Catholics 52 to 47 percent. Obama lost the white Catholic vote 52 percent to 47 percent, but that was still four points better than Kerry's showing. The candidates were evenly split among Catholics who go to Mass weekly.
So among white Catholics, Obama didn't win. And among Catholics who go to Mass weekly, the votes were evenly split between Obama and John McCain.
I really don't know how large numbers of self-proclaimed Catholics could vote in good conscience for someone as ardently anti-Life and radically opposed to protecting the unborn as Obama.
I wonder if these people had a 15-minute meeting with the Pope they would vote differently.
It's hard to say. I'm sure self-proclaimed Catholic Pelosi's meeting with Pope Benedict won't change her mind.
18 comments:
The devil works through Pelosi. It's amazing to me there wasn't an emergency exorcism required.
BTW - no one does an anti-abortion stance better than you do.
Thanks!
And you're right-- an emergency exorcism seems to have been in order. :)
I'm pretty sure the Pope is also against the death penalty under any circumstance. The devil must be working through George W. Bush as well, given how many people he executed as governor of Texas.
George Bush isn't Catholic, nor was he the subject of this post by Mary, so his views on the death penalty are not relevant here.
I wonder how much the Pope Hates Mary. I mean she tells lies, spews hatred of all policies, is a woman who is wasting time blogging and not popping out unaborted kids. She is destroying the enviornment but no one cares, and she hates muslims and black people (or blocks other people from posting but accepts post from white power bloggers) and lacks any sort of reason in her brain.
My policy is to reject comments that offer nothing but ad hominem attacks, like the one from "anonymous" 1:12 PM, February 19, 2009.
I'm posting it to illustrate the level of discourse from the Left.
8/26-
You're off topic. This isn't about Bush.
I am pro-choice. I am not one person, but many. Here is what I believe:
The fetus is not a human, just a mass of tissue Click
Abortion is safer than childbirth. Click
Abortion is Safe Click
Every child should be a wanted child. Click
The number of abortions is relatively small. Click
Nobody has the right to impose their morals on me. Click
A woman should be able to control her own body. Click
Abortion must be kept legal, especially for all the rape and incest pregnancies. Click
If abortion is outlawed women will be forced to go to back-alley abortion clinics. Click
Aborting unwanted children reduces the number of abused children. Click
We need to remember that we are overpopulating the planet. Click
Planned Parenthood is a group that focuses on contraception. Click
am personally pro-choice because I am Christian. Yes, I'm outing myself as a believer. Those of us who are Christian but do not hold the what have become caricatured views of the so-called religious right often hesitate to share our faith. But I think it is important to share that being a Christian does not automatically mean that you oppose the right to abortion. In fact, the church into which I was baptized affirms that "it is the legal right of every woman to have a medically safe abortion."
I believe deeply that I have no authority whatsoever to judge the sin of any other person and to believe that I did would be blasphemous. Only God can judge our sins or innocence. The concept that a fetus is innocent is a moral one and not a legal one. I fully respect those who hold this view of life but my personal perspective tells me that it is not my place to judge relative moral innocence before or after birth. I also do not believe I am capable of divining God's will let alone creating laws that would seek to enforce that will.
My reasons for supporting choice are as personal, deeply held and, I believe correct, as believe those who feel the opposite. I respect the intelligent, compassionate women who have arrived at a different conclusion than I, and as I hope they will respect me. Any debates premised on what our intractable moral or political beliefs are will not move the discussion forward and will only result in each side digging their trenches deeper.
However, I believe there is common ground which we can all reach that will help us move forward towards a shared goal. Regardless of what anyone believes is the moral or legal right to abortion, I think most of us recognize that it is a choice that no woman wishes to be in a position to make.
What I would love to see is that we focus our energy towards loving women.
Loving them enough to ensure that every woman has sex only when they are fully capable of choosing to do so and fully capable of making choices regarding pregnancy. That no woman has sex because she lacks self esteem, because she thinks it is the only way she will be loved, because she was physically and emotionally abused and is acting out, because she is forced in any way.
That no woman does not use birth control because she cannot buy it, because she cannot afford it, because her partner is controlling and will not allow her to use it or refuses to use it himself. That no woman be forced to give birth when it would risk her life or prevent her from having wanted children in the future. That no woman be faced with the fear that raising a child when she is not equipped with the resources or support to do so will destroy her.
That we try our best to ensure that children are not brought unwanted into a life of poverty, neglect and abuse. That we recognize that most forms of birth control are not 100% perfect and that we support further development of safe, reliable, reversible forms of contraception. That we do not fool ourselves into believing that children born when they are desperately not wanted and because contraception fails are somehow likely to magically grow up healthy, happy and whole and be President someday when they are raised by a parent who tried to prevent their conception because they are aware that they were inadequately equipped to raise them. It could happen but realistically, probably will not.
That we recognize that our systems for adoption and foster care are not adequate and if we truly want to ensure that even those women who do not choose abortion and offer their children the hope of a better life through adoption we must work to fix those institutions.
The law will not stop abortions. Making abortion against the law merely changes the choice to whether or not a woman will risk her life and break the law. The law will never convince anyone of the morality of abortion but rather merely gives permission to us to collectively judge and punish a woman for making that choice and to make it more difficult and more risky to have an abortion.
Instead, let's face the realities of unwanted and non-viable pregnancy and work to prevent that rather than working to turn pregnant women into criminals. Let's work together to the best of our ability to eliminate poverty, to create opportunities for education and to support all women so they can choose to give birth from a place of being truly healthy, happy and free. We can work together in love towards the goal of not making abortion an issue and not demonizing, judging and lecturing either women faced with the choice or anyone on the other side of the divide from where we stand.
I walked down Pennsylvania Avenue proudly marching next to teens, mothers, grandmothers (the Raging Grannies) and men of all ages. On either side of us, anti-abortion protesters stood holding signs - pictures of fetuses, babies and Jesus. Suddenly I saw a sign that made me realize what all of these anti-abortion people did not know about me. The sign said, "Is abortion really a woman's best choice?"
The thing they did not know is that I, a March for Women's Lives participant, am pro-life. In fact, the entire pro-choice movement is essentially pro-life. Few pro-choice activists think that abortion is a woman's best choice. Abortion is a horrible ordeal. It is only the last resort of the choice movement. When she first took the stage Gloria Feldt, the President of Planned Parenthood, said that she wanted nothing more than to work so that no woman would ever need an abortion again.
The choice movement is fighting for women to have choices before they are backed into the corner that makes abortions necessary. The first line of defense is education. Currently, President Bush is aggressively pushing Abstinence Only Education. Abstinence Only Education not only denies students information, but has also proved to be ineffective. Lubbock County, Texas, has taught only Abstinence Only for seven years. It also has the highest teen pregnancy and STD rate in Texas, a state whose averages are already higher than the rest of the country. During the last four years the national average has dropped slightly, but Lubbock's rate has risen two percent.
In Franklin County, N.C., the school board ordered three chapters covering STDs, AIDS and contraception to be literally sliced out of the state's health textbooks. Although when used properly condoms are 90 percent effective, so few people are taught how to use them that the national average is a 70 percent effectiveness rate. This withholding of information can hardly be called education. Access is the next battleground for women's control over their own bodies. Contraceptives are neither cheap nor easily accessible. Most insurance plans will not cover the pill except for menstrual regulation (in an interesting comparison more than half the insurance programs in this country cover Viagra). With poor sex education and an inability to afford the pill, women are left with few options. In the case of rape or the dysfunction of a contraceptive, Emergency Contraception (EC) seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel.However, EC only works within 72 hours of sex and not all doctors are willing to prescribe it. Assuming a woman managed get the prescription, many pharmacies allow their pharmacists to choose not to fill EC prescriptions. So there you are, mistakenly pregnant and facing a 72-hour obstacle course to get to the drug you need. Good luck. Those who object to over-the-counter EC say that women will use it instead of contraception.
These people have never met a woman who took EC. No woman would choose a pill that will leave her incapacitated with cramps and nausea for up to 48 hours over a condom. The choice movement fights on all of these fronts. Choice means full access to contraceptive education. It is pushing for co-pay for contraceptives and to make EC an over-the-counter drug. Simultaneously, choice organizations like Planned Parenthood work with women to help them learn and plan safe sex habits. Choice means the choice to have safe sex or remain abstinent while keeping abortion legal as a last resort.
Making abortion illegal does not decrease the need for it. It just makes abortions more difficult and more dangerous. Choice is about making abortions less necessary and more rare, not terrifying and forbidden. Sunday I marched with hundreds of thousands of women for choice. None think that abortion is a woman's best option. Yet, in a system that denies women the tools necessary to maintain control over her own reproductive rights, it is sometimes a woman's only choice. It is a heart-wrenching, life-shattering choice to make, but it is a woman's choice to make for herself. So as long as we are able to march, speak and vote, we will work to make sure that abortions are not provided by a barber and have nothing to do with a wire hanger.
"pro-choice" Anonymous #1:
Try not copying and pasting the next time you express your 'views,' liberal drone. Everything you said was a lie. It was nauseating reading it.
My emphasis and focus is going to be on the Anonymous Christian that says her beliefs do not allow her to make judgments against others actions.
You're "outing" yourself as a believer but you are unashamed to say that you are pro-choice? There is something very wrong with that. If you think that proclaiming Jesus is something to hide from, but proclaiming abortion rights deserves a long explanation, we need to have a talk. God is the judge of the world, but God's judgment lives because His followers live by His laws.
Let me refute your claim of non-judgment pro-choicey-ness by first saying that the 6th commandment is "You shall not kill." Now let's assume that you really do believe in God and you do believe that Jesus Christ was sent to the world to forgive sins and save us from eternal damnation or non-existence after death; where do you think babies come from? Not in a physical sense...what creates the life? Where does life come from? Do humans control where life comes from? No. Many people do not plan pregnancies and many plan them and never get them. That suggests a certain disconnection between humans and the choice of bearing a child. Abortion inherently insists that the woman in question did not make the choice to bear the child, but it was given to her by some other force. You may believe that the force is consequent of actions on the woman's part that she may regret or feel was inappropriate, but I believe the force is God.
"I also do not believe I am capable of divining God's will let alone creating laws that would seek to enforce that will."
YOU don't have to be. God already gave us the laws. Live by them. You are no authority; this is true. Neither am I. But if you believe in the doctrine of Christianity, then the moral laws have already been set and you are doing a severe DISSERVICE to your religion by not living by them and proclaiming them loudly. None of us are perfect; this is also very true. We should keep judgment minimal; but at some point, moral convictions do make people realize that certain practices should be prohibited and banned from society because they produce negative results and severe psychological effects on the community at large.
Under your mindset of moral relativism (where moral beliefs are not justified by the Law given to people by God) then why is killing not legal? It's not your place to judge a murderer or a thief when they rob you; it's your place to keep quiet and not say that anything is right or wrong, right? NO. This problem with our society has got to stop. If you never tell people that something is wrong, they never learn what is right.
People generally are in search of light and truth and right instead of wrong, but people like you skew the line and even bring religion into it (which you seem ashamed to admit to in the first place).
Also, do you believe that children are a consequence of actions or a gift and a blessing in the eyes of God? I believe that God makes the seed grow and loves all his children equally, including the unborn ones. Perhaps all children should be wanted, and perhaps women would go to obscene measures to perform abortions on themselves if they were banned, but good. Consequences usually choke off negative activity. I have convictions; it's called a conscience. I also believe that some things are right or wrong.
What is love? When you say we need to focus on loving women, do you mean that love is all cuddly, sweet and predictably nice? That's not love. Love means that you speak when you think the other person is doing wrong. In Proverbs, it says when the wise man is rebuked, he will become more wise. Is that not love? An attempt to show others how to not make decisions that will negatively affect the rest of their lives? Love is mercy and love is endlessly complex, but love does not entail sitting with your hands crossed when you can tell that decisions are going to lead to negative consequences. Being silent and not giving guidance to women who may really need it is apathy, and that's the worst of all.
Moral relativism is not a doctrine of Christianity. There are absolute moral convictions outlined time after time in the Bible, by Moses with the Ten Commandments and by Jesus when he even lectured the religious people and told them they were wrong in the way they were living their lives.
Jesus didn't waver on the line and say well maybe humans don't have the authority to judge others. He certainly told others the wrong they were doing in their lives, and they crucified him for it.
In conclusion, grow a backbone. If you are a Christian, don't be ashamed. If you are pro-choice, think about the baby stuffed into a bio-hazard bag and murdered in an abortion clinic in July. That's what abortion has brought us to. Infants are being murdered in hospitals and clinics because of irresponsibility by parents and staff.
Someone has to say no. Do you not feel the negative effects of the near 40 million abortions that have been committed in this country since the 70s?
And the person who said there were very few abortions is way off target. 40,000,000 is over 6 times as many Jews as were killed in the Holocaust. Small number? Get a grip.
Also, if we all had abortions every time a pregnancies was 'inconvenient' (as it nearly always is), we'd be an extinct species. Stop saying we're overpopulating. Populating is what we're supposed to do.
To the prochoice something or other at the end,
Making abortion illegal eliminates the CONVENIENCE of it. That's a big step. People believe that if they get pregnant they can just snap their fingers, get an abortion, and the alleged 'nightmare' is over. Far from it.
We need to end legal abortion. It's having a horrendous impact on the moral fiber of this country, not to mention slaughtering millions of babies before they even get the chance for their first breath of life.
It's very simple. Choose life because your mother did. If your mother did not choose life, I would have slightly more sympathy if you chose to have an abortion, but that would be irrelevant since you wouldn't exist.
I wonder who all the aborted fetuses could have become...invented...created...led...changed...positively affected in some way.
I guess we'll never know.
Lauren,
You are clearly so religious that you will never ever think of anything outside of the bible and therefore are not worth anyone taking time to talk to.
Abortion should be legal for rape, and incest. Abortion is not murder it is a sack of cells not a person in the first trimester. I am actually in full agreement on third tri-mester abortions.
If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?” -- 1 Corinthians 6:1 NIV) How interesting! Considering that state is separate from church all courts are supposedly “ungodly”. Does this stop Christians from tying up the supreme court with law suits concerning school prayer, abortion, or numerous other absurdities? Hell no it doesn’t, and my taxes are paying the fucking bill for their hypocrisy!
“Judge not, and ye shall not be judged, condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven” (Luke 6:37). I have yet to meet a Christian who has not judged my atheism. The whole world is chalk full of judges, juries, voters, employers, teachers, etc. which are all constantly judging others.
A raped, unengaged virgin must marry her rapist and they can never divorce (Deuteronomy 22:28-29
A man must marry and have relations with his dead brother’s wife (Deuteronomy 25:5-6)
Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?
Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”
2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.”
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.
Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action?
Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god.
2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death.
Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”
1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God’s commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one.
I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.
Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.
Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.
Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.
6th. Commandment, Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill”. Strangely enough this is a commandment despite all the punishments that require death in the New Testament and the Old Testament. How can thou not kill when thou is commanded to kill at the same time? This hypocrisy should be pointed out if the ten commandments are posted in schools, court rooms and buildings of legislation. The confusion of this commandment would surely bring capitol punishment into question.
* Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
* I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
* I know that a man is allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness—Leviticus 15:19-24. The problem is, most women take offense when they're asked if they're unclean.
* When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord--Leviticus 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
* I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
* A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?
* Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
* Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?
* I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if wear gloves?
* My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton-polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them Leviticus 24:10-16). Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Leviticus 20:14)?
* I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Exposed? I'm not convinced.
You're right that I should not judge other people, but one cannot live life without making judgments. You make judgments about Christian even in your misguided post, so only the Christians are held to a 'thou shalt not judge' standard but you're not? That doesn't seem to work out. Judgment is a necessary function to a human being. I am not an authority on what is right and wrong, I am just a human being trying to live a good life. But I understand the brilliance of the 10 commandments and how great life could be if people actually lived by them. Killing would not be necessary if people lived by the Laws of God. That's why you're incorrect about the 'contradiction' of the 6th Commandment because you are defiling a law of God because of the corruptness of human nature.
Matthew 18: The Parable of the Lost Sheep
Matthew 19: The Blessing of the Children
In the Bible, it is clear that the arbiter of judgment is God. Do you agree or disagree? Agreed. So now you want to take BIBLICAL VERSES to assume that governments/humans have the ability and the sole obligation to decide when life begins or ends for an unborn infant.
Everything has an opposing argument. I could make an oppositional argument to just about anything you say, unless I genuinely agree with it. That doesn't mean that I'm right every time.
I'm unsettled at the way you took Bible verses out of context to make them mean what you want them to mean instead of what they actually mean. Understanding the Bible is no small feat, and it was meant to be that way. People study the Bible for their whole lives and still have questions -- which proves that there is no possible way for one human mind to know everything. And that's what society is missing. You have to have faith in the unseen because you can't see or know everything. It's physically impossible.
Where do morals come from? Where does life come from? When you can answer these two questions, I will take your authority over God's.
Is abortion from God, to excuse people of behavior they cannot handle the consequences of? Do you think that's what God does? You think he creates a baby and then provides means for the woman to kill it before its born?
And you need to understand that there is a difference between judging a person and judging an action. If there were never any judgments, there would be no laws (not even the slimy liberal kind). There would be no justice. There would be no such thing as authority, and there would certainly be no such thing as freedom.
Fight for what's right because it's right, not because you're trying to find a way to manipulate it into being wrong.
questions for Lauren:
Proverbs 8:1-36
Does not Wisdom call, and Understanding raise her voice?
On the top of the heights along the road, at the crossroads she takes her stand;
By the gates at the approaches of the city, in the entryways she cries aloud:
"To you, O men, I call; my appeal is to the children of men. You simple ones, gain resource, you fools, gain sense."
"Give heed! for noble things I speak; honesty opens my lips.
Yes the truth my mouth recounts, but the wickedness my lips abhor.
Sincere are all the words of my mouth, no one of them is wily or crooked. All of them are plain to the man of intelligence, and right to those who attain knowledge.
Receive my instruction in preference to silver, and knowledge rather than choice gold.
{For Wisdom is better than corals, and no choice possessions can compare with her.}
I, Wisdom, dwell with experience, and judicious knowledge I attain.
{The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.}
Pride, arrogance, the evil way, and the perverse mouth I hate.
Mine are counsel and advice; Mine is strength; I am understanding.
By me, Kings reign, and lawgivers establish justice.
By me princes govern, and nobles; all the rulers of earth.
"Those who love me I also love, and those who seek me find me.
With me are riches and honor, enduring wealth and prosperity.
My fruit is better than pure gold, and my revenue than choice silver. "
End of Scripture.
Wisdom is a gem. Search for it.
There is such a thing as a stupid question.
Hypocrite Exposed,
I've been looking into the Bible verses you've quoted and I've found one common theme. I don't know if you've noticed. The horrific things you mentioned happened to the enemies of God because they were against His Word, His Teachings, and His Commands.
Name for me a verse where the righteous are slaughtered by the hand of God.
Also, you judge the judgment of God in your comments after you list the verse. I don't understand the judgment of God, but I know that it's right. God does what is right. He doesn't leave the faithful to rot with the wicked.
So if God doesn't exist, where does the soul, spirit, heart, and mind come from? You could probably argue that the soul doesn't exist, although it would surely be a weak argument. Perhaps you have never experienced an encounter with a spirit, so you may claim that that doesn't exist either, but there is an inherent part of a man and a woman that is manifested by the heart. Sometimes the heart is evil and full of hate, sometimes the heart is full of love. But there is no denying that these emotions exist and are very powerful. Everyone has the capacity to know and love God, it requires a choice to put your pride aside and submit to something more powerful than yourself. And no, this isn't corrupt government you have to submit to, this is righteous judgment.
I've heard so many people refer to righteous judgment as 'karma' Why is karma so much easier to believe in than God? And if karma exists, what power arbitrates it? It must be a higher power to know the goings on of humans -- to know when someone needs to be given punishment for actions that hurt others or caused some sort of pain.
Do you believe in karma?
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to his words, or else he will rebuke you and you will be found a liar."
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