Saturday, March 14, 2009

"Enemy Combatants" and Obama's Gitmo

This online headline from the New York Times is somewhat misleading.

U.S. Won’t Label Terror Suspects as ‘Combatants’

I expected the article to be about how Barack Obama is going squishy on the detainees, enemies of the U.S.

As it turns out, the article details how the Obama administration is fighting to keep detainees at Gitmo.

In fact, Obama is NOT making any fundamental departures from President Bush's detention policies.

The Obama administration said Friday that it would abandon the Bush administration’s term “enemy combatant” as it argues in court for the continued detention of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, in a move that seemed intended to symbolically separate the new administration from Bush detention policies.

So no more "enemy combatants." That label is history.

So what? It doesn't mean much. It's insignificant. There's no change in policy, just a change in terms. Nonetheless, the Times chooses to mislead readers by highlighting the change in terminology, as if it indicates some greater transformation when it doesn't.

But in a much anticipated court filing, the Justice Department argued that the president has the authority to detain terrorism suspects there without criminal charges, much as the Bush administration had asserted. It provided a broad definition of those who can be held, which was not significantly different from the one used by the Bush administration.

The filing signaled that, as long as Guantánamo remains open, the new administration will aggressively defend its ability to hold some detainees there.

“The president has the authority to detain persons” who planned or aided the 2001 terrorist attacks as well as those “who were part of, or substantially supported, Taliban or Al Qaeda forces,” administration lawyers wrote.

The Obama administration said it was relying on existing principles of the international law of war. A public statement indicated that the government was moving away from claims of expansive executive power often used by the Bush administration to justify Guantánamo.

The new administration took pains to try to point out that it was taking a different approach. It said the new definition “does not rely on the president’s authority as commander in chief” beyond the powers authorized by Congress. The filing, in Federal District Court in Washington, was meant to provide a definition of those detainees who can be held and bitterly disappointed critics of Guantánamo, who said it seemed to continue the policies they have criticized for more than seven years.

It was the latest example of the Obama administration’s taking ownership of Guantánamo, even after having announced it would close the prison, where 241 men remain.

“This seems fundamentally consistent with the positions of the prior administration,” said Steven A. Engel, who was a senior lawyer responsible for detainee issues in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel until the final day of the Bush administration.

Mr. Engel added that the term “enemy combatant” was not the issue. “The important point is that they recognize that we can detain members of the enemy” during a war, he said.

In sum, Bush's Gitmo is up and running. Obama is simply the new owner. He's not whining about "inheriting" Gitmo. To the contrary, Obama wants it.
Some critics of Guantánamo said that Friday’s filing fitted a pattern of recent moves by the administration that seemed intended to undercut continued criticism of Guantánamo but did not make significant changes in detention policy.

They noted that after Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. visited the detention camp last month, he proclaimed it “well run.” They said they had been stung as well by a Pentagon report commissioned by the new administration that said last month that the detention camp on the naval base at Guantánamo Bay meets the humane-treatment requirements of the Geneva conventions.

Ramzi Kassem, a detainees’ lawyer who teaches at Yale Law School, said Friday that the new administration had yet to deal effectively either with efforts to release many of the detainees or to improve the conditions at the camp.

Mr. Kassem said the filing Friday was an additional indication that the new administration had yet to grapple with the complexities of Guantánamo or the detainees’ cases. “I think they may be very much under the influence of the rhetoric of the outgoing administration,” he said.

The dismissal of the term "enemy combatant" is just window dressing.

Obama is NOT making significant changes in the detention policy.

Obama is NOT departing from Bush's policies. Although he claims that he's closing Gitmo, right now he's fighting to keep detainees there.

I don't expect Obama to uphold his promise to close the place. He's broken so many other promises already.

Supporters of Obama must be disillusioned by the actions of the new administration. Clearly, the administration believes it can make an extremely superficial declaration about the "enemy combatant" label and think that Americans will be fooled.

The Times is complicit in this now familiar Obama technique by pushing the propaganda and trying to fool its readers.

The headline should alert readers to the fact that Obama is holding on to Bush's policies. No significant change.

This is important:

[A]fter Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. visited the detention camp last month, he proclaimed it “well run.” They said they had been stung as well by a Pentagon report commissioned by the new administration that said last month that the detention camp on the naval base at Guantánamo Bay meets the humane-treatment requirements of the Geneva conventions.

Gitmo is good after all!

It's well run. The detention camp "meets the humane-treatment requirements of the Geneva conventions."

Who knew?

Gitmo is good. It's not the hell that the Dems have railed about for years.

Remember what Dick Durbin had to say in June 2005?
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime—Pol Pot or others —that had no concern for human beings.

What does Dick have to say about Gitmo and its American personnel now that Obama is the proprietor in chief?

I guarantee Durbin would never make a statement like that today.

I wonder what term will replace "enemy combatant." What does the Obama administration have in mind?

Unfriendly person?

Hostile guest?

Misunderstood but dangerous individual?

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

So your point with this article is what?

You are happy that Gitmo will stay open, or, you are angry that Obama does not appear to be keeping his promise to close Gitmo, WITHIN A YEAR, because you would like to see Gitmo closed?

Your conclusions based on your premises are really hilarious.

"In sum, Bush's Gitmo is up and running. Obama is simply the new owner. He's not whining about "inheriting" Gitmo. To the contrary, Obama wants it."

Do you really think President Obama or anyone else would have WANTED to inherit this mess from the Bush administration? LOL

"It's well run. The detention camp "meets the humane-treatment requirements of the Geneva conventions."

Then you conclude that Gitmo is GOOD, based on Holder's comments that it is well run and meets the humane-treatment requirements of the Geneva conventions.

OMG, let's get down there quick for Spring Break!! Sun and surf and snappy orange jump suits with a little bondage play thrown in for good measure!! GOOD, very GOOD!

You made one correct statement, President Obama is not whining about it, he is trying to resolve a difficult issue that he inherited.

Of the 800 or so detainees that have been run through there 241 remain and of those, according to Michael D. Goldhaber, January 22,

http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2009/01/escape-from-gitmo.html

about 60 are cleared for transfer, others are low level and should be cleared except for about 37 hardcore detainees.

What the solution to Gitmo is, I am not an authority. Ms Mary has again taken to making a lot of noise, for what purpose it is not clear, making no useful suggestions, and making (grasping at) several laughable and idiotic conclusions based on who knows what premises, starting with the beginning of her post asserting that, "As it turns out, the (Times) article details how the Obama administration is fighting to keep detainees at Gitmo."

I think President Obama is fighting to find a solution to this inherited problem and I will be content to follow what other authorities deem necessary to do to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion to Gitmo, if it is ever even possible to remedy this mess Bush created under questionable legal authority.

Anonymous said...

More propaganda.

UNRR said...

This post has been linked for the HOT5 Daily 3/14/2009, at The Unreligious Right

Mary said...

Perhaps I should include a feature with each of my posts, "Freedom Eden for Dummies."

OK. I make a number of points in this post.

--The New York Times is using a misleading headline.

--The Gitmo hell is suddenly declared not so hellish.

--Obama is deceptive.

--Obama is Clintonesque in his use of language.

--Obama is a hypocrite.

I like this:

"Do you really think President Obama or anyone else would have WANTED to inherit this mess from the Bush administration? LOL"

Do you really think President Bush WANTED to inherit the mess from Clinton?

Do you really think President Reagan WANTED to inherit the mess from Carter?

Obama needs to man up and stop complaining. Instead of making excuses, and constantly talking about his "inheritance," he should act like a leader rather than a candidate.

Anonymous said...

Obama needs to man up and stop complaining. Instead of making excuses, and constantly talking about his "inheritance," he should act like a leader rather than a candidate.

Exactly. It is relatively common for the new administration to partially blame the previous admin in order to deflect some of the heat. Bush did it to Clinton. Clinton to Bush I and so forth. Obama is in perpetual candidate/campaigning mode. Somebody should tell him he "won" and he knew the mess he was winning. NOW, it's time to act like the big dog instead of an idiot. Though I must confess, THIS is all that we are going to get with Obama. An empty suit.

Mary said...

And to think that lib pundits were putting Obama in the same league as the greatest presidents in American history.

Ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps I should include a feature with each of my posts, "Freedom Eden for Dummies."

Sadly,it can be expected more frequently these days, especially from anyone with no valid arguments to defend a bunch of nonsensical ranting, the knee-jerk, immediate resort to verbal abusiveness to belittle someone who might question their myopic world view. I am sadly familiar with that practice as I heard enough of that kind of crap about the abusive spouses at the victims shelter I volunteered at for four years. It was not restricted to one gender either. Don't you have a warning for people to not do that on your blog? A bit hypocritical, don't you think? See below.



--The New York Times is using a misleading headline.

Misleading because it caused you to read the article? Misleading because it made you think? Bad, bad, NYT.

--The Gitmo hell is suddenly declared not so hellish.

I believe that the present administration stopped water-boarding from continuing there.

--Obama is deceptive.

In general, all the time, or for a specific reason? Bush and Cheney just refused to tell us anything at all. Therefore no deception, right?

--Obama is Clintonesque in his use of language.

Yes, President Obama is smarter than a fifth-grader and can actually speak using full sentences, unlike our previous president. Someone please tell me that I write like a Rhodes Scholar.

--Obama is a hypocrite.

See above.

I like this:

"Do you really think President Obama or anyone else would have WANTED to inherit this mess from the Bush administration? LOL"

I am glad that you can like anything.

Do you really think President Bush WANTED to inherit the mess from Clinton?

Bush certainly didn't waste any time cutting rich folks' taxes, spending the budget surplus and doubling the national debt. I fear you're a little messed on your definition of that budget surplus, "mess," that Clinton left.

Do you really think President Reagan WANTED to inherit the mess from Carter?

I'll pass on this one, because I don't know for sure if Reagan ever knew anything about what he was doing except creating and enhancing his own image.

Obama needs to man up and stop complaining. Instead of making excuses, and constantly talking about his "inheritance," he should act like a leader rather than a candidate.

Ms Mary, you need to woman up and stop complaining and making excuses and assuredly you need to quit calling the kettle black.

Again you have nothing of substance to contribute, you're abusive, petty, and you didn't answer the two part question at the beginning of my first comment.

You don't even stick to your own original premise that you expected President Obama to be "going squishy," about the detainees. You say he is taking action, fighting to keep detainees in Gitmo, then, in your comments you say he needs to "stop complaining," then act like a leader.

I'm the one who used the word, "inheretence," not the Obama administration or the NYT article. But you attributed it to the president. Your pure hatred and loathing is quite apparent and seems to seriously be affecting your ability to reason. You should seek some professional help with that problem, soon. It is unbecoming for any human being.

Further reading beyond this aforementioned Times article says that the Obama administration is going to go back to established principles of international law regarding war, rather than the Bush/Cheney version of, "We'll do it our way," indicated by the closing of my first comment when I mentioned Bush's, "questionable legal authority."

Mary said...

Are the countless books titled "(fill in the blank) for Dummies" verbally abusive?

Good grief.

"Sadly,it can be expected more frequently these days, especially from anyone with no valid arguments to defend a bunch of nonsensical ranting, the knee-jerk, immediate resort to verbal abusiveness to belittle someone who might question their myopic world view. I am sadly familiar with that practice as I heard enough of that kind of crap about the abusive spouses at the victims shelter I volunteered at for four years. It was not restricted to one gender either. Don't you have a warning for people to not do that on your blog? A bit hypocritical, don't you think?"

You're charging me with behaving like an abusive spouse after you accuse me of having "no valid arguments to defend a bunch of nonsensical ranting"?

That's hypocritical.

You're being verbally abusive.

What is this?

"Ms Mary, you need to woman up and stop complaining and making excuses and assuredly you need to quit calling the kettle black.

Again you have nothing of substance to contribute, you're abusive, petty, and you didn't answer the two part question at the beginning of my first comment.

...Your pure hatred and loathing is quite apparent and seems to seriously be affecting your ability to reason. You should seek some professional help with that problem, soon. It is unbecoming for any human being."


ENOUGH.

You're not debating issues or discussing elected and/or public officials.

YOU are degrading me personally.

ENOUGH.