FREEDOM EDEN: Vets in S.C. May Not Vote for McCain

Thursday, January 17, 2008

Vets in S.C. May Not Vote for McCain

No kidding.

GREENVILLE, S.C. -- John McCain seems like a natural presidential pick for veterans in South Carolina, a decorated POW of the Vietnam War in a military-friendly state.

The Republican senator has been running campaign ads that touch on his war record. His "No Surrender" tour spent days here in the fall as he focused on the Iraq war. And many veterans are in his corner.

But, in keeping with the volatile primary season, the veteran vote is just not that simple. The economy and health care are factors for military retirees, and most say they vote for a person — not a uniform. Plus, and hold on to your green berets, some are Democrats.

"Veterans have a lot in common with other voters in this state and that makes it hard to pigeonhole them," said Danielle Vinson, a political science professor at Furman University. "In the past, the veterans have not been a consistent voting bloc."

This is just stupid.

The circumstances of the lives of veterans are too varied to consider them to be a consistent voting bloc. They aren't one-dimensional figures. They don't align themselves with candidates based on their military backgrounds alone. Ask John Kerry.

How could anyone think that vets would automatically vote for John McCain just because of his military service?

That's as silly as assuming that men obsessed with their hair would vote for John Edwards.

Or, women who wear pantsuits would vote for Hillary.

Or, people who enjoy a tasty fried squirrel would vote for Mike Huckabee.

2 comments:

Pete Fanning said...: I am a military veteran. I am a Navy Veteran. I have the utmost respect for John McCain for his military service. But I would not and could not bring myself to vote for him because of his ideology. Period.

It's well known who I support, all you need do is visit my blog....Fred Thompson. There are ALOT of Vets behind Fred too, and they are listed at vets4fred.net....; 9:53 PM, January 17, 2008
Mary said...: I have nothing but respect for McCain when it comes to his military service to our country.

You, too, Pete. Thank you for serving. I don't take for granted what I've got because of the sacrifice of others. It's a debt that I'll never be able to repay.

I see respect for McCain's service as a completely separate issue from what I think of him as a potential Republican nominee for president.

I can understand why a lot of veterans would support Thompson. I hope the ones living in S.C. get out the vote for Fred.; 1:31 PM, January 18, 2008

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"If you love me, you got to help me pass this bill."

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"[F]or most of my lifetime, the United States was such a dominant economic power, we were such a large market, our industry, our technology, our manufacturing was so significant that we always met the rest of the world economically on our terms. And now, because of the incredible rise of India and China and Brazil and other countries, the United States remains the largest economic and the largest market but there’s real competition out there. And that's potentially healthy. It makes -- Michelle was saying earlier I like tough questions because it keeps me on my toes. Well, this will keep America on its toes."

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"If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, 'We're gonna PUNISH OUR ENEMIES and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,' if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's gonna be harder and that's why I think it's so important that people focus on voting on November 2."

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"We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but THEY GOTTA SIT IN BACK."

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"We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever... we absorbed it and we are stronger."

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"We're buying shrimp, guys."

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"We are the ones we've been waiting for."

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"We talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answers so I know whose ass to kick."

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"We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or you're providing good service. We don't want people to stop fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow the economy."

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"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

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"It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them. And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure."

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"But I -- I think that the most important thing for the public to understand is, we're not handling any of these cases any different than the Bush administration handled them all through 9/11."

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"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy CORPSE-MAN Christian [sic] Brossard. And lying on a gurney aboard the USNS Comfort, a woman asked Christopher: 'Where do you come from? What country? After my operation,' she said, 'I will pray for that country.' And in Creole, CORPSE-MAN Brossard responded, 'Etazini.' The United States of America."

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"I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow was around, and so I want to give a shout-out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. It's good to see you."

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"We are God's partners in matters of life and death."

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"[T]he Cambridge police acted stupidly."

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"I am going to teach [my daughters] first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

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"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings, and INEFFICIENCIES to our health care system."

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"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it."

--BARACK OBAMA

NOTEWORTHY QUOTATIONS

"In a word, freedom is ever new. It is a challenge held out to each generation, and it must constantly be won over for the cause of good.... [A] democracy without values can lose its very soul."

--POPE BENEDICT XVI

"When freedom does not have a purpose, when it does not wish to know anything about the rule of law engraved in the hearts of men and women, when it does not listen to the voice of conscience, it turns against humanity and society."

--POPE JOHN PAUL II

"We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in the ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop."

--MOTHER TERESA

"To promote choice for its own sake is more akin to self-indulgence than self-determination. It is the philosophy of a pre-schooler in a candy shop."

--BRIAN POLLARD, M.D.

"The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people."

--MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

"The house we hope to build is not for my generation but for yours. It is your future that matters. And I hope that when you are my age, you will be able to say as I have been able to say: We lived in freedom. We lived lives that were a statement, not an apology."

--RONALD REAGAN

"Liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid."

--MARK LEVIN

"We are Warriors forever."

--BO ELLIS

"I know how much you're supposed to enjoy every sandwich, you know."

--WARREN ZEVON

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Vets in S.C. May Not Vote for McCain

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