Thursday, September 25, 2008

Obama and McCain, the Economy and the Debate

I'm worried.

I can't listen to the President of the United States speak of the country "slipping into a financial panic" and predict that dramatic measures must be taken or a "distressing scenario would unfold" without feeling stressed.


What's happening is surreal.

From FOX News:

In a rare prime-time address to the nation Wednesday night, Bush pushed lawmakers wrangling over the $700 billion bailout legislation to consider the consequences of inaction, stating that "our entire economy is in danger."

He warned of a looming "financial panic," and he said the legislative package must be enacted "as soon as possible."

"We are in the midst of a serious financial crisis, and the federal government is responding with decisive action," Bush said.

To bail out or not bail out -- That is the question.

I don't know what's the right thing to do, but I do know that using the crisis to score political points is inappropriate.

NEW YORK -- The economic crisis and raw politics threatened to derail the first presidential debate as John McCain challenged Barack Obama to delay Friday's event to work on the financial crisis. Obama rebuffed the plea, saying presidents need to "deal with more than one thing at once."

..."This is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person who, in approximately 40 days, will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said in Clearwater, Fla. "It's going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once."

Forty days?

Does Obama understand that one does not assume the office of the presidency right after winning the election?

It doesn't sound like he does.

In approximately 40 days, President Bush will still be responsible for dealing with this mess, not Obama or McCain.

The new president won't be inaugurated until January 20, 2009. Someone should tell Obama that. This 40 days stuff sounds like something Joe Biden would say.

...But McCain said they must focus on a bipartisan solution as the Bush administration's $700 billion bailout proposal seemed headed for defeat. If not, McCain said ominously that credit will dry up, jeopardizing home sales, individual savings and company payrolls.

"I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time," McCain said.

...Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., McCain's representative in debate negotiations, told The Associated Press that McCain will not attend the debate unless there is agreement on a solution that is publicly endorsed by Obama, McCain, the White House and congressional leaders.

Asked whether the debate could go on, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said: "My sense is there's going to be a stage, a moderator, an audience and at least one presidential candidate."

That's Obama's favorite kind of "debate" - a moderator and just one candidate.

He avoids debates and joint appearances with McCain like the plague.

Obama agreed to participate in townhall meetings with McCain but he reneged on that.

He refused to appear at the same time with McCain at the Saddleback Civil Forum and the Candidates’ 9/11 Forum.

During the primaries, Hillary kept asking him to debate and he turned her down again and again.

For Obama to act like Friday's debate must go on as scheduled is lame.

The political gamesmanship continued.

...McCain beat Obama to the punch with the first public statement. The surprise announcement was an attempt to outmaneuver Obama on an issue McCain trails on and as the Democrat gains in the polls. McCain went before TV cameras minutes after they spoke and before the campaigns could hammer out the agreed-upon joint statement.

Obama, too, made a political calculation by rejecting McCain's challenge while still trying to appear on top of the problem. Obama repeatedly stressed that he called McCain first to propose a joint statement. He said McCain called back several hours later and agreed, but also said he wanted to postpone the debate and hold joint meetings in Washington. Obama said he suggested they first issue the statement.

"When I got back to the hotel, he had gone on television to announce what he was going to do," Obama said.

McCain said he would return to Washington on Thursday after an address to former President Clinton's Global Initiative session. He canceled a scheduled appearance on CBS' "The Late Show with David Letterman" and a meeting with India's prime minister.

This shouldn't be about politics. It should be about tending to the crisis.

McCain cancelled a meeting with India's prime minister as well as his appearance with Letterman.

Perhaps Letterman will realize what a doofus he was during the taping of his show yesterday, with his incessant mocking of McCain. His hissy fit over McCain's cancellation was truly an embarrassment, but his antics were not unusual for an egomaniacal celebrity like Letterman.


Was Letterman's behavior slimy? Yes.

Was it atypical behavior from a lib elite entertainer? No.
McCain called Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to propose that joint meetings with Obama and congressional leaders be held quickly, according to leadership aides. Reid spokesman Jim Manley said Reid responded by reading McCain his public statement, in which Reid said it would not be helpful for the candidates to come back and inject presidential politics into the negotiations.

Reid later told reporters that McCain "is trying to divert attention from his failing campaign."

Hardly.

McCain wasn't diverting attention from himself or his campaign.


"Failing campaign"?

Reid seems confused. Obama's campaign has been faltering, in spite of the efforts of the lib media to prop it up.

And I'm sure debating Obama will boost McCain's campaign, not hurt it. Postponing Friday's debate is NOT the politically expedient thing to do for McCain.

I'm sick of the politics.

The country is facing a serious economic challenge. Political maneuvers at this time are as unseemly as they are irresponsible.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Democrats -> Party first, at any and all costs, even if it means a depression. I'm sure they've focus grouped the prospect to see if it would cement their power to for the foreseeable future.

They have a chance to prove me wrong and I hope they do.

Mary said...

I hope they start acting like Ameicans rather than politicians.

Brian said...

as of Tuesday, McCain hadn't even read the bill he's so anxious to get to DC to help pass...

one shouldn't blame Obama for the media slant any more than they should blame McCain for having 9 homes.

Obama is right to say that one can't just shut down when obstacles come one's way. I believe Obama and McCain going to Washington doesn't really help negotiations that capitol hill have been going through for the entire week now.

politics as usual though. nothing surprises me anymore. and we don't know how the debate will hurt or help mccain/obama until they actually debate.

Brian said...

the idea that it's mccain or obama's responsibility to shut down campaigns for president and "save the U.S. economy" is laughable. Last I checked, George Bush was president.

Mary said...

Obama is right to say that one can't just shut down when obstacles come one's way.

First, I don't see delaying the debate as shutting down.

Second, a leader must prioritize.

Third, Obama shuts down (reneging on the townhall meetings with McCain, avoiding face to face forums with McCain and Hillary, refusing to appear on FOX News Sunday for 772 days after being invited) when he perceives obstacles are in his way to the Oval Office.

Is the economy a major problem?

I thought that's what Obama is running on. The economy is in shambles, right?

If so, maybe it would be wise for him to actually do his job. He is still Illinois' senator. He shouldn't shirk his responsibilities at a time of crisis.

Or is this not a crisis?

No big deal?

August Danowski said...

The economy has been sliding downhill for 5 years and now, at long last, the President has said that perhaps we should do something about it. Too little, too late and we, the people, will have to face the consequences, while W. rides off to Texas to live a life of luxury and comfort thanks to high oil prices, while the rest of us face foreclosures, bankruptcies, and economic collapse.

Under that dirty scoundrel, Clinton, Dems and Reps had learned to work together to control spending - the national debt was dropping, we had surpluses and the economy was in good shape. After 8 years of Bush's fiscal policy of recklessly cutting taxes to benefit the wealthy, spending like there is no tomorrow and growing government to a scale that boggles the imagination, we are on the brink of economic devastation.

In 40 or so days, we will know who the next President will be, and while that person won't take power until January, the world and, perhaps more important, the markets, will hang on their every word, desperate for some sign of what policies the new administration will offer.

According to McCain, the fundamentals of our economy are strong. According to every one else (including Bush) we are screwed to the tune of $700 Billion and now we have to bail out a bunch of irresponsible investment bankers who have been living high on the hog (NOT a reference to Palin), earning millions making some of the stupidest loans possible and enjoying every last bit of the Bush tax cuts that the majority of Americans never saw.

I for one would like to see Obama and McCain debate tomorrow so we can hear how they would face the brewing economic disaster as President. Neither of them will solve the problem by spending a few extra days in Washington pretending to still be Senators, but giving the public a taste of what each would be like as President could calm and reassure the markets, which would go a long way toward solving this crisis.

Brian said...

you say it like there's no one else there in dc. if obama or mccain don't show up, it's 1929 all over again.

if you want to point out the town hall meeting issue (obama wouldn't agree to mccain's terms, he didn't totally denounce the idea), or obama not taking the foxnews interview, let's talk about how the mccain campaign basically wants palin to walk all the way to nov. 4 without dealing with press, impromptu questions, or anything that isn't scheduled.

how do you meet with world leaders behind closed doors and not have the press cover it?

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again, today come to dc, meet with bush (mccain and obama), give insight on the crisis and friday debate about the economy.

how long should the campaign be put on hold? say the bill doesn't pass until mid-october? should we just say forget it, let's just vote now?

August Danowski said...

Mary -

Practically every appearance President Bush has made in 8 years has been in front of a carefully selected group of staunch supporters. Anyone who might possibly look like they have an opposing viewpoint is prevented from attending his events and, in some cases, people have been arrested just to keep them away (first amendment notwithstanding). McCain generally does the same thing (although, for a good laugh, check out a video of his speech at an auto factory in Michigan).

And yet you only criticize Obama for this absurd practice. Of course he doesn't want to appear on Fox, any more than McCain wants to appear on some ultra liberal soapbox.

Mary said...

Thom,

It's ridiculous to say, "Practically every appearance President Bush has made in 8 years has been in front of a carefully selected group of staunch supporters. Anyone who might possibly look like they have an opposing viewpoint is prevented from attending his events..."

You must be kidding.

If you believe that's the case, then you are remarkably ill-informed.

And if you truly believe that having McCain and Obama debate tomorrow "could calm and reassure the markets, which would go a long way toward solving this crisis," then you don't understand the crisis.

Mary said...

Brian,

Do you honestly believe that I think if McCain and Obama don't take their place in the Senate that it's 1929 all over again?

Come on.

Also, why deflect the questions about Obama's unwillingness to appear with his opponents by bringing up Palin?

I don't think it helps the Dems to keep beating up on Palin.

I'm sure once there's a deal on the economy, McCain's campaign will go forward and he'll debate and he'll continue to invite Obama to join him at town hall meetings.

If there's a deal today, I expect McCain will debate Obama tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

look at the numbers on the foxnews polls. mccain is losing ground in almost every category. he needs to do something immediately or else he's going to keep on the rapid downslide. i know -- let's suspend the campaign and regroup!! what a load of nonsense. he hasn't voted in congress since april and now he's pivotal to get this deal worked out. cut the crap and get back out on the field!!

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/fox-news-poll-obama-reclaims-lead-over-mccain-45-to-39/

August Danowski said...

Mary - perhaps you should take a look at this article from Fox News on this very subject:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153720,00.html

Mary said...

RealClearPolitics tracks more than one poll.

That's a good source.

Here is something interesting from Zogby. At this point, he predicts a landslide.

None of it matters anyway.

The only numbers that matter are those on Nov. 4.

Anonymous said...

The comments on this post shows that politics trump all in the USA.

The global credit markets have seized up while all of this pols have been messing around. It won't take long for the snowball to get bigger and gain speed.

If the Republicans hadn't have been such a bunch of dopes this deal would have been done without all of the giveaways that are now being attached to it.

If this credit market rescue plan is seen by the stock and commodities markets as suspect, look out below.

Between the USA citizenry that is totally disengaged from all of this that the polarized politics comes first crowd, our very own citizens may be the ones fiddling while Rome burns.